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...you living with? chauvigne: i was living with my brother at my grandmother's house. interviewer: and where were your parents at this time? chauvigne: my parents worked in africa and we came back to france in 1938 or beginning '39 and we remained, the two of us, my brother and i, with my grandmother for the whole war. interviewer: and were you in school at this time? chauvigne: yes, i was first in grade school and then very shortly after, i went to the lycee, the high school in poitiers and that's where i spent five years. almost every weekend, we would go visit my grandmother. interviewer: why were your parents in africa? chauvigne: well my father was working in mining and at the end of '38 i think, there was an epidemic of some sickness, i forgot which one and then my mother took us to france. but then, later on, the war broke out and my parents intended to have us come back and join them, but the timing was not very good and in 1940, our ship sunk, burned in the harbor of bordeaux and so we remained in france with my grandmother all that time. interviewer: burned by whom? chauvigne: the germans, a plane i suppose. interviewer: do you recall the time when the war started? chauvigne: yes, very well. i recall very well. my aunt took us, my brother and i, in the field behind their house to tell us that the war had broken out and that our uncle was going to join an artillery outfit on the eastern border of france and germany. i remember that very, very well. interviewer: when was this? what date are we talking about? chauvigne: well that was in september 1939, the 2nd or the 3rd of september. interviewer: so what happened then? chauvigne: well, very shortly after, a flood of refugees from a small village on the border of germany and france, the village was narcay, came to our village and they were displaced persons and they came to our village and we lodged them wherever we could in barns, in houses, in warehouses, just name it. remember our village was ...